Smoke, he met with the coach once, then worked out maybe 4 times on his own. The junior has gained almost 20 lbs and dropped from a 6.9 to a 6.68 electronic. I have read your 400m article and feel your pain about not reaching your full potential because a coach ran you into the ground with repeat 400s. I didnt compete against teams from other towns until 7th grade. Thanks for the feedback to the newbie. There are dozens of threads here about 60 times but does anyone know an average or typical 60 yard time for players by age or grade? First number is age in years that these guys held their world records at, back in 1975. All of these are sprint-dependent. When you're at the games or practices, talk to the parents: tons of information about do's and don'ts, and who are good hitting and fielding instructors. I would be really interested to see how things work out. If you can get a decent 40yd time, youll have little trouble doing 100m. I've heard this a LOT. We add in acceleration work with the sled and chute, but I use a very slight down hill for his top speed work. Thanks for reading and sharing this. Thanks for this great poste. Do you know of coaches/programs/locations in the northern IL/western suburbs area that train to the points you make in the article? None of those 169 draftees, other than Caleb Benenoch (his published splits point to a possible error at the second gate), were able to break 2.00 seconds from 20-40 yards. He was in the top five for his age group. CF with a big bat.certainly didn't hurt himself in front of the scouts with that performance. Avoid places that advertise muscled-up athletes wearing. If we were to use the information people send us it would be a mess. But when i see that at th end of th first training session, he gained 0.7 seconds on 15m sprint (3.16s, 17km/h), it puts me in an optimistic mood. I dont think fast was ever used to describe T.J. as a young athlete (thats a polite way to say that T.J. was slow). What I found especially useful was the information you provided in regards to pulling, climbing exercisesfor example parachutes, uphill climbing. In my opinion it is better to play at a school with a weaker program than to sit the bench a a school with a strong program. I had several in the 4.0 range including a 10 year old @135lbs. Is a 4.5 40 fast? Records must be kept. Kids should perform all sprint training in a non-fatigued state. In fact, Eliud Kipchoge of Kenya achieved this feat in 2019, running a time of 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds. Coaches will often push and pull things to train acceleration. You may also have some early video & can look at progression through the years. When can they train and actually work on speed? Coaches are looking for the best fits for their team. FlowCron Calculator; Adagio & Wellness; Adagio & Creativity; Adagio & Empathy "Flow" - The Fourth Musical Element; JRW Inventor; JRW Services; Papers. As Tom Petty says, Never slow down, never grow old.. In my experience, these entrepreneurs attempt to use their athletic resume to hide their inexperience as coaches. Then, depending on your age, we multiply the resulting percentage by the appropriate WMA Factor. You get a feel for when they added velocity &how their physical growth tracked along with that. Why does the chart not continue on to age 50, 60, 70 etc. His team still has that 4'11 and 80# kid, so your son is not miles behind. Is this a reasonable expectation of improvement year over year as the player gets older and matures? At 10 i would look at 30 yard dash times. According to the ICCs both the 40-yard dash and vertical jump were reliable assessments for all age groups When looking at the CVs, it can be concluded that the 40-yard dash is more reliable than the vertical jump. I dont want to over train him. If someone gave you that time seriously both you and them are deluded. Stop when any part of runner crosses finish line. Sometimes I see soccer players run faster than others, but I seldom see sprinting. Wicket drills (running over mini-hurdles) is a staple of sprint training. He was recruited for Catcher. Any 17u teams in Illinois I can still register and play for this summer? With social distancing, playing in the backyard and in the house (and watching tv) is virtually all we do. Actually my daughter timed him first. He is the standout player in every sport that he plays and just wants to get better. If a speed coach tries to convince your kid to specialize in one sport, sever ties immediately. We're sorry. Very interesting comments but do you mind explaining to me what you mean by FAT.? My understanding is that MLB average home to first is about 4.0. Chris Johnson who ran a 4.24 seems to be an anomaly as he is the only . He's 6'1 and about 170still has a lot of filling out to do, so I'm sure his time might get down a tad bit more before its all said and done. ( bigger stronger and much faster) I was told the only way to post a better time is to do another PG showcase (The WWBA and the other PG tournaments do not have a timed 60 run only PG showcases). As in life, we are trying to be the best version of our self. What age do scouts look at baseball players? Right now he is probably 4'11 and 80lbs! I've heard pop times are difficult at times to control as the catchers start "cheating". PA is really a measure of lateral speed and 6 Tire Zig Zag is a measure of lateral quickness. Kids should perform all sprint training in a non-fatigued state. A "Good" 10-Yard Split Time (1.56-1.59) Gaines Adams, Buccaneers: 1.58 (2007) Derrick Harvey, Jaguars: 1.59 (2008) An "Average" 10-Yard Split Time (1.60-1.62) Kamerion Wimbley, Raiders: 1.60 (2006) Bruce Davis, Patriots: 1.62 (2008) A "Below Average" 10-Yard Split Times (1.63-1.69) Charles Johnson, Panthers: 1.63 (2007) Soccer is an endurance sport. Thank You for the article. That said, we do love to hear about improvements players make. High school sports were covered by the local radio station and daily newspaper. I doubt 0.4 improvement is the norm, but I've always thought a good sprint coach and an "untrained" athletecould drop at least 2 tenths. If sprinting is not timed, its not sprinting. He is currently 5 years and 2 months. 1.41 meter long jump D.K. And find a way to keep your son in multiple sports through 9-10th grade, it helps with keeping it fun, developing an athlete, cross training, and being with their other friends etc. We were 3 sports thru 9th, 2 thru 10th, then he knew he wanted to focus on baseball. Look for a sprint coach who believes in alactic training. She's 5-3 or 5-4 and is a muscular 135. Old 2 year old: 13.3 After my son grew from 5'11" 135 to 6' 160 I got him 60 time specific training. I have been lucky to coach the boys in football and lacrosse for 11 years. The fastest kids ran 3.3-3.5 range, next group 3.7-3.9 were some of our linebackers and fullbacks. Any idea how the kid is doing in college? Are colleges moving more toward the recorded speeds of a player going from the plate to first? You didn't even come remotely close. Hi! Any sprint more than five seconds trains something other than max-speed. Recruiting guidelines are just that: guidelines. Maybe check your tape next time just to make sure you didnt measure 40 feet instead of 40 yards. Next some stats of what they did in high school. Out of 30 kids we had 3 in the top group and ten in the next group. My other point is, I agree with the above points about sensible training schedules and intensity for youth. At 18 I was our fastest pitcher at 7.2, but most position players were well under 7. The formula is (weight*200) / (40-time^4). You've seen video -- he's usually thefastest guy on the field, but he needed, and still could use, work on starting as well as basic work on form. The results? When you block a person, they can no longer invite you to a private message or post to your profile wall. I would only add that going to a school with a " strong " HS program can help but only if you arent a bench warmer. Your supposed time translates to around a 4.1 40 yard dash which would break Deion Sanders . So the 14 year old who reportedly runs a 4.4 forty was basically one step behind one of the fastest ever football players of all time. Develop, fun, develop, fun, age appropriate coaches, and programs that are focused on developing will help your son immensely. It may not display this or other websites correctly. By the way, sprinting is the best strength exercise I know. This improvement was noted immediately after the growth spurt. DII Outfielder: 60 Yard Dash: 7.0 or below Home to 1st Time: 4.4 (RHH) 4.3 (LHH) Throwing Velocity: 82 + Ball Exit Velocity: 88 + . And if you're teetering between getting a college offer, or making the league, the 40 yard dash can be the event that pushes you over the edge. PG does post the best speed they have seen at their events, not just the best speed at a showcase. The run just seems to be so critical now for a position player & we do not think twice about paying for hitting or pitching instruction, but proper run mechanics & training can have a major positive impact here. All things being equal, a prospect who has the will to practice hard is going to be recruited over a one who has the ability but not the work ethic. Is this normal?? They (we) time 40yds wrong, but not more than 0.3 unless its intentional or timed by an observer. 4 years 30-32 seconds Required fields are marked *. The unfortunate thing is that we are going to have to make decisions about high school soon as his small private school that he loveshas a very poor program. He is too young to join most of the soccer teams( at least in my town) though in couple of months he will be playing in a soccer team. I run a two week camp in the summer. All I hear from kids is they want to go D1 D1 D1, there is nothing wrong with D2, D3 or NAIA if you are playing for the right reasons aka love of the game, Ive seen too many kids who want to say they got a scholarship and love the idea they got a scholarship and quit because theyre burnt out. 20 yard dummy flip (we use 40lb and 70lb dummies but you can use seabags filled with a mix of mulch and sand (dry the mulch out) and you can stiffen the bag with cardboard inside. Club experience: 34 years of high-level travel baseball, Awards and accolades: multiple-time All-Conference, All-Area, All-State honors, Club experience: 23 years of high-level travel baseball, Awards and accolades: multiple time All-Conference, All-Area, potential All-State honors, Club experience: 23 years playing travel baseball, Awards and accolades: multiple time All-Conference, All-Area honors, Pitch velocity: 84 MPH consistently; up to 95+ MPH, Walk less than 1 batter per 2 innings pitched, Control of one off-speed pitch and 1 additional pitch thrown to spots consistently, Walk around 1 batter per 2 innings pitcher, Control of at least one off-speed pitch and developing another, Coaches will take a closer look at catch and throw mechanics as well as the arm strength shown while throwing to 2nd and 3rd base, While defense comes first for a catcher, Division 1 coaches will also look for a player who demonstrates outstanding leadership skills and has the ability to work with the entire pitching staff, Division 1 catchers swing the bat well and usually can hit for power or average at a high level, Slugging: .600 (minimum 2 at bats per game), Pop Time: 1.95 and below consistently (verified by a neutral source), Slugging: .550 (minimum 2 at bats per game), Pop Time: 2.0 and below consistently (verified by a neutral source), HR: 510 as a junior and senior in high school, Slugging: .750 (minimum 2 at bats per game), Needs to demonstrate the ability or potential to hit for power, A solid 1B recruit in this tier should have a few HRs and a lot of RBIs as a junior and senior in high school, HR: 510 as a junior and senior in high school, Infield Velocity: At least 80 MPH with the ability to improve through development, HR: At least 2 HR as a high school junior and senior, 60-yard dash: 6.56.8. Even if times are not improving, sprinting pays off. 2 seasons ago, I had two athletes run four.73 on the same day. Sub-max sprinting will not make kids faster. I do tend to think that acceleration is useful for training purposes maybe not for max speed but for power development outside weight gym it does correlates nicely. If you are 6.5, then they probably start getting interested in how quickly you can get down the line, especially if you are a left handed batter. She is a hockey player and is faster than all the boys her age. Multiple vital factors can help determine whether athletes have good starting speed in their 20-yard Dash. Has nothing to do with youth times, but my son's teammate on his college summer team ran a 6.34 and 6.40 sixty at the league showcase on Tuesday. My son is 10 and he raced twice last Wednesday posting 15:51 in his heat and then 14.91 for the finals in the hundred meter he runs again tomorrow in the district finals. 90 is D1. I believe then because i ran 5.54 in 40yrds when i was 9 im 14 now and i run 4.4. So, from a statistics standpoint (and PGStaff could confirm), I would assume that as the further the graduation date (i.e., younger player), the smaller you sample size in the numbers from PG. P.S I have never had sprint training just playing soccer, basketball, tennis, football, and skiing. I lettered in 4 sports in high school and played small D1 football and track(sprinting). Thanks for the info- I definitely don't think that she's the speediest out there, but just wanted to boast that she did the best out of 68 at the tryout. Why? I would expect there to be some improvement gains as one gets older (similar to strength or velocity) but how much is considered typical? All she cares about is being fast, oh and loving Jesus. Yes, considering your age, a 40-yard dash time of 4.9 seconds is very good. This is the fastest 10-split by any combine runner in my database (starting in 2003). Coaches are watching, before the game, between game action and after the game to see how a prospect carries themselves. He also play tennis every other day. I would also mention that if you have the opportunity to see players race against each other at the 20 yard distance, it's helpful. Ive always timed my oldest, whos a girl, once a year just before her birthday. 20-yard sprint: Run 60 feet to measure speed from home plate to first base. We mostly do 100 meter running. 20 yard - for speed (most linear runs are just under 20 yards (routes/pursuit/edge runs) 40 yard - breakaway speed (tells me who has the extra gear) 10 and 20 are what I look at the most when I eval kids. If they arent wearing spikes, they arent sprinting. From diet perspective, my kid does not eat salt or spicy food. 40 (2) = Second 40-yard dash time per NFL Network coverage 40 (O) = Official 40-yard dash time from NFL Network coverage and NFL.com 10 (1) = First 10-yard split time per NFL Network coverage This is from a coach who has timed 100's over 20 years. http://www.gregorydoublewing.com/ATHELTIC_SPEED_TIMES_FOR_KIDS_Age_5_to_14.docx. 5-10-5 shuttle time 5.129 5.179 5.18 5.257 20 yard sprint 3.013 3.051 3.052 40 yard sprint 5.783 5.671 5.705 3.087 5.687 11th grade 9th grade 10th grade junior high youth player physical measurables averages over 20,000 players measured since 2010 overhand throw velocity 58.37 57.38 58.45 56.25 She is a third baseman. I completely agree with Tony. Oh, my best lineman (5'9" 225) ran a 5.45 so guess who is pulling on my counter plays. -- Vince Lombardi, On another note, how fast a kid can run in a straight line doesn't tell me anything about what position he is going to playjmo. Im assuming the 40 times posted here for the 9 year old kid were recorded by hand. Low-volume sprinting is good for all of us. When you do this, you need to start like you are stealing a base, crossover, and sprint the 60 yards. The following average times were measured between 2000 and 2012 at the NFL combine for players who played at least 5 games. My best event was the 400m which went from a 60 hand-timed to a 54.15 FAT timed. Im a college sprint coach and my son plays multiple sports and he likes to train and get faster. OBP: .450 Slugging: .550 (minimum 2 at bats per game) If it is something extra good, we follow up. I have timed many of them in 40 yards as it is a standard part of my testing protocol. And that is still not understood in the rehab world. My only disagreement is the multiple sport comment. The link doesn't seem to beworking - for me, anyway. Sprints must be timed. After that he ran a 6.59 at HF. Too many ex-football players are addicted to the grind of football training. The average punt covers about 40 yards, which is why it became an important distance for football sprints. What skill sets should individual position players have? Im glad I ran across your article, I will make sure to share. 800 meter dash: 2:35 I've always hired previous D1 SS's to teach my boys the necessary position footwork and glove work. What's the average time for a 100 yard dash? I think you have to wait until at least 13-14 to start getting generalizations of a kids athletic potential! It is one of the reasons coaches caution showcasing early. The scores to the left are average times and the score to the right is the best score I have seen in that drill. The tables presented here age-adjust running times for runners in the 31-70 year old age groups both male and female. Those stats get "stuck" on the players PG page and they won't go away until you replace them with another showcase. We train with elite, young athletes in Texas at a highly reputable speed development facility and have never seen a 5.45 40 posted by anyone younger than 11 years old. We asked the coaches about sprint training. How fast can Usain Bolt run the 40 yard dash? The fastest 60-yard dash was run by both Herb Washington and Mel Pender, who ran it in 5.8 seconds in 1972 and 1973, respectively. Just makes you have better habits and develop faster. Chad Lakatos coaches at Edwardsville High School. Let your kids play sports and enjoy their brief athletic careers. This is complete BS. Although I am not a big fan of parachutes myself, I use sleds and resistance bands regularly for speed training with great results. As a sophomore, T.J. again quarterbacked his group to a 9-0 season. 7.83 was as a 14yr 8month (my mistake in the prior post). Or what? Their are only so many places you can hide the lumbering behemoths. Mine was 3x week. The velocity during the different phases of the run declined on average from 5 to 6% per decade in males and from 5 to 7% per decade in females . Contact their program and go watch their off season workouts. My advice to athletic-minded parents: Teach your kid to sprint. He ran a 6.82 at a showcase (laser timed) on 4 June, so he is attending another one next week in the hopes of getting down to 6.7would be nice to hit that time since he just turned 17. It makes a big difference. Less than two percent of high school players go on to play Division 1 college baseball, but there are more opportunities at the other division levels. Hand held time. I think the problem with focusing is especially at the small school level you cant afford to have 3-5 kids specialize bc the other teams suffer.
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